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we're gonna have a pretty cool show

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today

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why not because of me

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never because of me

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it's always because of the guests

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in this instance

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it's fantastic

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yes

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no it's not eric

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davis or admiral tom wilson but it is

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j christopher king

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how are you sir

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how's it going man it's great to see you

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good to see you

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yeah

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i'm looking forward to

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talking to some shops some admiral

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wilson eric davis notes

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you know fly fly

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uh on the

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back windshield of a car

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absolutely

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the parking lot

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yeah i'm looking forward to it i thought

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that was a fun idea for for a show

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why not well happy wednesday man

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yeah happy wednesday night wednesday

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early evening

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so to speak so but

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oh somebody's honking they know what

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we're doing they're excited oh yeah yep

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that's that's the government

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that's the government hey you better not

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do that dramatic reading

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that's right

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because that's what's really going to

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sell these docs to the public

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well i wasn't so sure but then

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yeah then we knew yeah yeah

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i'll just i'll look in my wi-fi list for

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fba fbi van number one or whatever you

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know those those kinds of situations

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anyway followed by wd ewd espionage yeah

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for those of you um

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that you know what's up to the crowd

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first of all uh

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you know i love the chatters uh the

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famine here andres lara katie

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uh i see that says she only came for the

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dramatic reading

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well she's gonna put her

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her mouth where money is or money where

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her mouth is

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yeah yeah oh is this a super chat

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situation that's right she said she'd do

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five bucks that's right yeah then uh

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then we'll do it we've never been we've

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never been um

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you know we've never

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kind of daned to the super chat crowd

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uh a whole lot even though we've never

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discouraged it either you know

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right i think part of it is just that a

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lot of people online there get pretty

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angry about super chats and whatnot so

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but right but if katie wants you know if

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she wants her dramatic reading you know

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five bucks is five bucks

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and you know 250 that'll buy me a very

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small coffee at the deli around the

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corner so you know well we'll have to

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work out the percentages but

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that's a good point

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i'm just being assertive i'm a dealmaker

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what can i say it's the sport code

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listen here rash

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[Laughter]

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so all right

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all right get it together all right so

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uh we had the hearings um

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not too long we haven't heard we had

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congressional hearings

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there was a there was a gentleman from

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green bay with scots in my state which

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is just this week is all about him

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apparently because we did uh oh okay

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we got bugs uh because we did

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robert salas yesterday and today

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um we're covering the other part of uh

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mr gallagher's um part of those hearings

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which was entering the

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uh admiral wilson and eric davis notes

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into the record um he asked about them

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that the moultrie gray

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had no idea what are they going to say

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anyways yeah i've heard of those and i

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believe them you know they're not

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probably wasn't expecting that but they

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got into the record mr carson allowed it

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um pretty cool pretty cool stuff it's in

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there so exactly what that means i'm not

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really sure hopefully it means they at

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least look into it a little further i

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would hope i would hope for that

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um yeah but we figured we'd we'd do a

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little you know burner course on the

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nose what are they

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um when are they from what's the deal

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uh maybe go through some of it maybe do

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a little dramatic reading here there

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and uh you know give some takes uh on

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what we think so sounds great we can try

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to make sure we get some decent

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impressions in there well you know eric

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i don't really know what tom wilson

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sounds like but we can approximate him

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i'm going with something

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we might even be able to get a ufo joe

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in there if we really try

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um with the uh with the timeline it

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could be pretty fun

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yeah that's true

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i should probably queue that up right

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unless you got it already you're pretty

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good with that stuff

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when did let me ask you what

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do you know the

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the beginning of these notes when did

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they come out i mean i feel like for a

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lot of people these probably just came

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out of nowhere um but it's been

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a couple years now right

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that's right um

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they were first leaked

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as far as i know um they were first

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and were kind of pulled down but

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a couple people grabbed them um

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on a file sharing site and

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immediately

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joe

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giuliano marinkovic um was a key figure

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um and i know that uh

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joe merger knew about him that day and

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chris wolford and some others

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a lawyer kind of more formally dropped

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them and said yeah these are the notes

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and had kind of a reasonable

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chain of custody for where the notes how

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the notes got to him

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it's important to note that several

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key figures

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richard dolan was shown these notes

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he was shown several pages in kind of a

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when i you know i used to i used to work

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for him and richard told me

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uh who showed him these pages of notes

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and he swore me to secrecy that i

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wouldn't say who that person was

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so i know who showed richard dolan those

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notes over a decade before that

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and i don't i wouldn't want to break

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that confidence however i can say that

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it was somebody don't work for him

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anymore

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that's true but i wouldn't i uh just

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give this person this person is

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definitely somebody that would be in a

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position to know about their

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authenticity okay and and that's

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somebody that

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how to put it

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because of the chain of command of the

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you know the the version of the notes

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that we got leaked um we're in

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possession of edgar mitchell

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the the former astronaut who later went

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on to be a key figure

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involved in the orbit of nids the

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national institute for discovery science

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that robert bigelow funded

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which notably included figures like hal

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and eric davis and jacques valet

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and you know that era of time that nids

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era some of that work was was

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compiled into hunt for the skinwalker

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public-facing take on all the work that

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eric davis kind of being sent

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on this mission in a way to meet with

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with special access programs

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center of what we're talking about here

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in a lot of ways we're talking about how

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did this meeting come about and what

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information was conveyed in that meeting

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assuming that it happened

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and and then after that you know what of

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that within this hall of mirrors what if

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that is accurate information

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a lot of what was conveyed in that

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meeting were things that wilson heard

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from other people

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um so there are several layers here

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at which point some people get lost and

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it is a rather complex story and on the

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other side of it what it comes down to

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is dr eric davis and thomas wilson

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meeting in the back of a car of thomas

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wilson's car

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eg by the way

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runs the janet terminal

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that runs people out to

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secret sites like area 51

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so they meet in the parking lot of vgng

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and they talk for about an hour and they

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have a very kind of pivotal conversation

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that reveals a lot about government

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secrecy

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uh the possibilities of recovered ufo

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craft among other things

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yeah i mean i mean the the the notes

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themselves are breathtaking if you read

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them i put the link in the description

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for people if they would you know want

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uh follow along or read them for

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yourself which you know i always um

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suggest people do for themselves but you

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know it's funny that you you know i

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think first of all you did a great job

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putting the synopsis on it and the one

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thing that stuck out to me was

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eric davis kind of uh

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almost like tasked so to speak uh this

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mission to find out what um

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maybe what i mean i guess was told to

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admiral wilson and you can tell that in

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reading the notes you know like uh his

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questions are much like uh

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how

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of time at sales on the phone or in

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person

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you know some big ticket sales or

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whatever and what you're taught is

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you know the

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the more you talk the more you're losing

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basically you know

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you want to ask

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you know questions that

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get them to

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to do the talking open-ended questions

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um to to

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and actually listen to know what they

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want and you know what they're looking

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for and things like that and you can

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tell that with the notes like that's

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what eric davis is doing he's short with

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his questions

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you know and

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wilson just

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talks a lot

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you know

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which which is uh extremely interesting

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but then i guess

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you know there yeah the couple things

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you could think of is

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you know the the information that wilson

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got was was it accurate if somebody was

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on to him and what he was looking for

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maybe they they gave him some crap like

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it was some black project that they

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you know did not want him to know

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anything about would they use a story

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like this to kind of throw him off the

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scent

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so to speak you know um that could be a

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there

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you know and i'm almost afraid to

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speculate too much because i might hit

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it on the head and be in a lot of

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trouble somehow but

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well

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and and and yeah that's true and also i

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mean if there there's also the element

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of

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you know when we think about this hall

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of mirrors and

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that there's been so much see

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secrecy about this document and that

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even the principal players involved were

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incredibly freaked about it leaking

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it's it stands you it it makes you

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wonder

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why

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if if everybody involved with it

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is basically scared shitless that

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anybody talks about it ever

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you know there's there's

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there's that key question about it you

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know and if you talk to there have been

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some key

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figures okay for example

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jacques valet

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uh our our good buddy james ian doley

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who i'll see this weekend and i'm

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excited about that you might see him as

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well

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um

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oh uh

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so how do you ask

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olive garden jacques valet asked

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uh or no uh james asked jacques valet

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about the wilson davis talks uh around

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the time when trinity came out when the

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book trinity came out that he and paula

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harris wrote

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about a crash about a ufo crash

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uh alleged ufo crash case and

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and jacques was um maybe here we we get

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our first uh we get our first taste of

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an impression or a dramatic reading you

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know paraphrased

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uh

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there we go what's up buddy olive garden

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olive garden himself oh

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sick burn

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uh

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so

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correct me if i'm wrong here but jacques

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was like

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no he said he said so wilson

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you know who am i to uh

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to say

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what happened above one of the men

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himself and wilson says that it didn't

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happen

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however

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i know eric davis very well i've known

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him for many years

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i've talked with eric davis many times

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and i also know eric davis to be a very

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honest man

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he's a very straightforward scientist

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and a very honest person and i've talked

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to him many times well you know it's not

399
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it doesn't take

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a literal rocket scientist or the guy

401
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that mapped mars to figure out

402
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that uh what he's inferring in that

403
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situation right

404
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right

405
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yeah um

406
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so uh and of course chocolate was in its

407
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orbit back then so it's another case

408
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where you can look at this and say

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where where

410
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how did this meeting happen and you can

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say that the national institute for

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discovery science and the people that

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were orbiting around that were very key

414
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players with regards to custody of this

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document and

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and who was originally kind of had their

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fingers in this meeting early on

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and the years prior to uh it getting

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leaked

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yeah

421
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another thing

422
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:01,279
to think about with this stuff is you

423
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know if you're thinking of uh if

424
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anyone's thinking like eric davis could

425
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be lying or or whatever

426
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um the the thing is like

427
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you know he has a there's a lot of

428
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people that have a lot on the line kind

429
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of with these notes in in the takes

430
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:18,639
uh they're throwing at this thing as

431
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well like for instance eric davis

432
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uh really has done

433
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:27,120
a lot of uh work with nasa you know so

434
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what's a nasa

435
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uh guy

436
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you know doing any of this for he

437
00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:33,759
doesn't have time for it

438
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,839
first of all you know he's working on

439
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:37,600
legitimate projects he's written

440
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,199
legitimate papers that you can find in

441
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the archives some you can find on the

442
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dia's website that were a part of ossep

443
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:47,440
you know um so he's done a lot of work

444
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there other people that that have coming

445
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,639
out have come out and it said that these

446
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notes are

447
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,240
you know that the meeting happened

448
00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:58,880
uh and the story there are people like

449
00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:00,880
um brandon fugal

450
00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:03,279
i mean that's right this guy not only

451
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,880
has a

452
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,039
great television show which you know i

453
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:09,760
was cold on at first but now i'm hot on

454
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,600
it and i can't wait to re-watch the

455
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,199
episode from last night because i really

456
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:15,839
do like it and i love just that travis

457
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:18,559
taylor guy i just love the way he is so

458
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:21,520
excited about a real phenomenon here at

459
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:28,390
and uh but the other thing to think of

460
00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:30,960
is he has a very successful

461
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,559
um um real estate business

462
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,480
he's with one of the the larger real

463
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:38,799
estate companies in the world let alone

464
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this country so if he's going out there

465
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,760
you know saying that that

466
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:45,440
this meeting happened these notes are

467
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:48,160
legit and they're not like that that's a

468
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:50,880
big deal for just his career you know

469
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,880
that that's not good

470
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:54,400
so that's very

471
00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:55,760
that's very true

472
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,480
robert bigelow i mean okay so brandon

473
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:03,039
fugal owns the skinwalker ranch as we

474
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:04,880
were just saying who owned it before

475
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,240
that robert bigelow right yep eric davis

476
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:10,720
was employed by robert bigelow

477
00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:11,520
um

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00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,720
around the time that that this that this

479
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:16,240
meeting happened

480
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and uh was and continued to be employed

481
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:22,480
by how put off another knits person for

482
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years afterwards and before

483
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:27,919
so you know and we're again finding and

484
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,919
eric davis worked on skinwalker ranch

485
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:31,200
when bigelow

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uh doing doing studies and there's

487
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:36,640
pictures we we have pictures of fugle

488
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:38,960
and eric davis together

489
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,280
you know um does exist

490
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,440
so you know there you can make

491
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:46,080
inferences about about how brandon fugle

492
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:47,919
might know that as well

493
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:51,039
now this is maybe a little uh

494
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a little off off center maybe a little

495
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bit but

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um

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so in

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i think it was in elizondo's last

499
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:02,080
interview he mentioned how

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his favorite movie was uh dumb and

501
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dumber and he was talking about this uh

502
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,960
limited limousine driver right

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and if you don't know he's he's talking

504
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:13,440
about um jim carrey

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00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,679
and who plays limousine driver in one of

506
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the scenes there and it's weird because

507
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this is the scene i

508
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:22,160
thought of right away before he actually

509
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:23,600
described the scene that he was going to

510
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,760
talk about which is the one where jim

511
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carrey is in the limo with the gal in

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the back

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and he says where are you going flying

514
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somewhere right she goes well yeah yeah

515
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:35,360
how'd you guess he goes

516
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:38,080
well i i saw the luggage and we're at

517
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the airport so i just you know kind of

518
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:42,480
put two and two together

519
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:43,440
you know

520
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and

521
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,039
that that is actually

522
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,120
literally in the notes is putting two

523
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and two together

524
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,600
you know i don't know so yeah

525
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,280
it may be a stretch but i thought that

526
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:57,600
was just very interesting

527
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,549
i think that's the first time

528
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and

529
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,600
will it be the last time that i've heard

530
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,919
the wilson davis notes and and jim

531
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:10,000
carrey and dem and dummer brought

532
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together

533
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,480
in in uh in one little riff and i could

534
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,960
be i could be a little thankful for it

535
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:17,919
no i

536
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,919
appreciate it sean that's why i love you

537
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,799
sean

538
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:23,600
that that your document finding

539
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:24,559
this

540
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,919
um your your appetite for knowledge and

541
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,360
actual food

542
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:31,600
you know all the reasons why we love you

543
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:32,840
so

544
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,559
okay um

545
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:40,799
you know wilson wilson is on record

546
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,280
denying this multiple times right right

547
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,400
and then one of the the kind of uh

548
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,960
pushback that people give

549
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,039
on that you know people who you know

550
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,120
really think these notes are legit

551
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:54,880
everything about him whatever

552
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,909
um wilson says

553
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:03,919
if you blow my trust

554
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,360
you deny everything said won't meet with

555
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:11,440
any more people without clearances

556
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,159
talk about this topic too risky because

557
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,919
the security violation just by

558
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:17,280
mentioning it

559
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,640
very tightly held info absurdly closely

560
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:23,200
held subject matter never seen anything

561
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,480
like it

562
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,360
like this program in black programs

563
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,679
in all my life

564
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:31,520
say community but

565
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,400
you know so he says you know if anybody

566
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:36,000
says anything of the night so right

567
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,520
there

568
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,080
it if he denies it

569
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:41,840
which of course he's gonna deny it he's

570
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,559
not gonna just tell some journalist yeah

571
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,400
yeah of course you know that's all true

572
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,520
that's not how it works he's going to

573
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,600
deny it he said he's going to deny it so

574
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:51,600
that's it's just worthless it's a mute

575
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,880
talking point

576
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,400
so

577
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,159
now they're talking about getting the

578
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,240
guy in the stand you know congressional

579
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,200
hearings do you think that'd be worth it

580
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,120
i think it would be worth it and i agree

581
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,120
with you and joe merger likes to quote

582
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,919
eric davis's a quote that

583
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,480
from eric davis um

584
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,520
that he said uh you're going to be lied

585
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,919
to because that's the rule and that was

586
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,600
in reference to

587
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,400
to wilson uh like denying the meeting

588
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,559
right right um now

589
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:24,000
so

590
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,520
i think this is

591
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,200
this is kind of the point in the

592
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,360
conversation where we should bring in

593
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,120
the idea of

594
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,760
what's called like you know ufo amnesty

595
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,280
or immunity

596
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:37,600
right and people like gary nolan have

597
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:40,640
been talking recently online uh the

598
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,400
scientist gary nolan um who is very much

599
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,159
wrapped up into these conversations as

600
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,400
well um and knows some of these key

601
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,120
figures um gary noland was talking the

602
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,760
other day on twitter about how there's a

603
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,919
lot of talk behind the scenes about

604
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,039
granting

605
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,520
immunity or amnesty however like

606
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,919
whatever phrasing needs to be used

607
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,559
for people that have been aware of

608
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:06,880
these black projects or anything else

609
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,320
involved with uap secrecy

610
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,720
and what that might entail now that gets

611
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,240
into a huge

612
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,000
you know can of worms in many different

613
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,270
in the abstract of course it's hard to

614
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,280
have a public conversation about

615
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,760
immunity or amnesty when you don't

616
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:27,919
actually know what

617
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:30,559
that would be necessarily absolving in

618
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:33,679
terms of of of secrecy or criminal

619
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:37,600
behavior or anything like that right

620
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:38,400
and

621
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,080
if you were to make a case where okay

622
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,039
well can we give wilson immunity in this

623
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,039
case

624
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,679
um to testify

625
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,840
because within the wilson davis talks

626
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:55,279
themselves

627
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:56,159
he

628
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,840
threatened with early retirement

629
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,000
and that he may even get one or two

630
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:09,750
um you know from his jacket or whatever

631
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,919
um if he were to even just pursue the

632
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,559
case any further of trying to to knock

633
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:19,600
on doors uh to find out more about the

634
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:23,039
crash retrieval program the arv program

635
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:26,559
or anything else along those lines yeah

636
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:27,360
so

637
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,440
the only way to really get the truth on

638
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,679
the matter is if

639
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,360
you know maybe some

640
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,760
and gary nolan says immunity use the

641
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,760
word immunity because

642
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,880
um

643
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,960
you know amnesty kind of implies that

644
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,520
you're convicted or guilty or whatever

645
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:51,200
already so

646
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,000
um

647
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,640
immunity is is the word that that people

648
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,520
should use i guess but um

649
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,520
you know you almost have to have davis

650
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:01,919
testify as well you got to have davis

651
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,640
and wilson testify at the same time

652
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,120
well not literally but you know

653
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,159
at the same hearing um

654
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,159
because then both of them got to say

655
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,159
what's up you know what

656
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,400
what the truth and the reality is of the

657
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,760
situation

658
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,080
but then how far does it go so you get

659
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,559
these two people to say yeah this is it

660
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,559
this is it that still doesn't mean what

661
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,960
was told the wilson is correct you know

662
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,799
so you still have to

663
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,200
go farther into that and start talking

664
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,559
to okie

665
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,480
you know who's mentioned in these notes

666
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,480
um this miller guy

667
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,080
and other people

668
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,360
so it's it's almost just like opening

669
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,960
uh the can

670
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,400
you know and then the worms can start

671
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,679
coming out but

672
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,200
that's kind of how i would expect

673
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,200
disclosure would go

674
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,840
yeah i mean and it's a it's a pickle on

675
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,159
the other side as well because because

676
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,880
davis himself um

677
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,240
you know he

678
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,240
he

679
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,520
talked to

680
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,600
leslie kane and ralph blumenthal and

681
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,320
this was published in the new york times

682
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:08,799
a paper of record as they say

683
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,440
and he and he said straightforwardly

684
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:16,880
um that he had briefed

685
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:19,679
uh members of congress and staffers

686
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,320
at least twice at that point and i think

687
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,159
this was in 2020 um about

688
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,840
that the meetings happened the

689
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:29,600
congressional private briefings happened

690
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,720
in 2019 and this was published in 2020

691
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:35,200
that he had

692
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:40,320
recovered craft program

693
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:41,120
right

694
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:41,919
and

695
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,000
he actually used verbiage that's

696
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:48,640
straight from the wilson davis docks or

697
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,840
verbiage was

698
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,520
you know not of

699
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,679
craft not of this earth here i'll have

700
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,000
to find it i can find it on yeah

701
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,679
off world

702
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,679
vehicle i believe it was pretty much

703
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:01,279
right

704
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,159
yeah

705
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,840
so let's see

706
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,520
could go over this a little bit too if

707
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,320
you want if we oh absolutely oh here we

708
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,679
go okay here

709
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,200
here let me grab this really quick and

710
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:13,600
then so this is a direct quote from from

711
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,799
this new york times article so um eric w

712
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,960
davis an astrophysicist who worked as a

713
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:21,200
subcontractor and then a consultant for

714
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,200
the pentagon ufo program since 2007 said

715
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,919
examination of the materials had so far

716
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,760
failed to determine their source and led

717
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,760
him to conclude we couldn't make it

718
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,320
ourselves the constraints on discussing

719
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,279
classified programs and the ambiguity of

720
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,320
information cited in unclassified slides

721
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,559
from the briefings have put officials

722
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,880
who have studied ufos in the position of

723
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,279
stating their views without presenting

724
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,960
any hard evidence

725
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,840
mr davis who now works for aerospace

726
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,679
corporation which is key and we'll talk

727
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,399
about later a defense contractor said he

728
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,559
gave a classified briefing to a defense

729
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,880
department agency as recently as march

730
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:03,120
about retrievals made

731
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,320
from

732
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,880
off-world vehicles not made on this

733
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,360
earth mr davis said he also gave

734
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,120
classified briefings on retrieve

735
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,520
retrievals of unexplained objects to

736
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:16,000
staff members of the senate armed

737
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,080
services committee on october 21st 2019

738
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,000
and to staff members of the senate

739
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,679
intelligence community two days later

740
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:28,000
so there is also

741
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,799
so

742
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,960
even that is a bombshell that that

743
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,120
hasn't been really appreciated by people

744
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,440
the fact that that just kind of right

745
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,200
that that just kind of slip slipped

746
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:39,919
through you know and and it deserves to

747
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:42,840
be highlighted and re-highlighted and

748
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,679
re-highlighted uh in the light of this

749
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,080
recent sub public subcommittee hearing

750
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,760
that there have been private briefings

751
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,360
like this

752
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,279
yeah ralph blumenthal even went on

753
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:56,559
record like this clip that that i play

754
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,840
that i've played a couple times now

755
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:00,000
ralph blumenthal on one of the news

756
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,919
channels he's talking about it

757
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,960
and

758
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,960
the the lady asks him about materials

759
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,279
and he's on

760
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,240
the news national news saying yes and

761
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:11,919
they've recovered some of this material

762
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:12,640
and

763
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,799
don't know what it is you know so how do

764
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:20,880
you got to think about that like we have

765
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,279
all the technology in the world you know

766
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:24,960
this secret

767
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,679
technology you know any kind of metals

768
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,000
metamaterials everything and they don't

769
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,080
know what it is how is that even

770
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:34,559
freaking possible the only way it's

771
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:37,039
possible is if it's not

772
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,399
human

773
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:40,159
you know

774
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,000
yeah and so and we also know um because

775
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,760
michael hall

776
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:47,360
um

777
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,840
very very ticked off about and he live

778
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,279
streamed um

779
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,520
a conversation michael hall the lawyer

780
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:58,880
who eventually

781
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,640
leaked was one of the sources of the

782
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,360
wilson davis dock he

783
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,720
he

784
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,440
live streamed i believe on facebook

785
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,320
uh a conversation that he was having

786
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,039
with ralph blumenthal in real time where

787
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:17,120
ralph was asking him about the wilson

788
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,480
davis talks

789
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,720
and this preceded

790
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:22,559
this article that i was just quoting

791
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,440
from

792
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,480
well so

793
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,799
leslie and ralph were you know leslie's

794
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,279
mentioned in the wilson davis docks for

795
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,600
pete's sake yeah for watching paul's

796
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,600
story right yeah all right boston globe

797
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,440
totally yeah awesome and so

798
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,840
yeah and so um and i believe that's the

799
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,799
original kameta report news article that

800
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,880
she wrote for for the boston globe which

801
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,799
really opened up a lot of conversations

802
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,840
at the time

803
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:46,640
so

804
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,159
here's you know ralph and leslie were

805
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,960
working on this and then they get quotes

806
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,640
from eric davis about how he'd been

807
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,120
briefing people and so you can see that

808
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,039
there was there was a very cunning

809
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,440
negotiation process that probably

810
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:03,840
happened strategically in the mind of

811
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,559
leslie ralph and maybe even eric davis

812
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,399
where it's like okay well if wilson's

813
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,480
not going to go on record about this if

814
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,559
davis isn't allowed to talk about it

815
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,120
well what can davis give us

816
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,039
you know what can davis

817
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:19,840
what will davis allow and the fact that

818
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,880
davis said that he was talking about

819
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,440
you know crash retrievals in in closed

820
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,320
door in intelligence committee you know

821
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:29,919
senate briefings

822
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,039
that's quite a gift in a lot of ways and

823
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,000
maybe you know it's as significant

824
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,399
uh and depending on the circles you run

825
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,399
in as significant as these notes

826
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:41,519
themselves

827
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,320
um so was that you know was that a trade

828
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,720
so that davis wouldn't have to speak to

829
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,720
these notes but could talk about

830
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:50,320
something that he was at liberty to

831
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:51,440
discuss

832
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,480
you know

833
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:53,679
it could be

834
00:32:03,269 --> 00:31:59,909
the thing i keep uh they don't uh

835
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,279
leave my brain so to speak is just

836
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,039
you know if all this is true everything

837
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,120
in the notes the the crash retrievals

838
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,720
and which i mean

839
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,799
at this point it's it's really hard to

840
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,799
say but i would have to imagine

841
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,399
there's some truth to it

842
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,350
you know how

843
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,120
everything's kind of playing out how it

844
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,200
would how the world would react to it

845
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,559
there's going to be people that just

846
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,120
fight it against everything people who

847
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,360
claim they believe in ufos or even seen

848
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,919
ufos or even say they think they've

849
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,000
visited earth are still going to fight

850
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:36,559
this story as crap and bullcrap and

851
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,480
that's kind of uh the the amusing not

852
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,240
amusing but interesting part to me i

853
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,120
guess is every time there's some sort of

854
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,159
evidence that there is a ufo

855
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:50,480
that crashed and people have seen it or

856
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,200
like whether it's bob lazar or roswell

857
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,600
or the wilson davis thing whatever it is

858
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,320
you have people that legitimately say

859
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,200
they believe in ufos and that there's

860
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:04,240
uh aliens or ets visiting here will

861
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,120
fight

862
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:08,159
every piece of evidence that supposedly

863
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,600
comes across

864
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,039
tooth and nail

865
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:12,720
and

866
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,679
it's it's it's almost like inside

867
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,519
they're still having an internal

868
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,000
struggle if they believe any of any of

869
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,240
it to begin with at all

870
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,000
you know if they want to let go and even

871
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,840
believe in aliens

872
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:31,120
to begin with

873
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,559
you know

874
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,840
i i i very much agree with you i think

875
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:36,960
that there's

876
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,000
you know did did this meeting happen i'm

877
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:41,840
almost completely certain it did you

878
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,440
know what i mean i'll i'll put it at

879
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,320
99.99

880
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,720
sure because of the amount because of

881
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,120
the veracity of the people

882
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:53,039
the intelligence of the people the the

883
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,640
people that have talked about it with me

884
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,279
you know and and i i don't have any

885
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,240
reason to doubt it at this point

886
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,399
these things mentioned dude

887
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,519
right yeah are incredibly hard to know

888
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,840
yeah they're incredibly hard to know and

889
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,599
at the same time

890
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:11,280
it

891
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,200
so much

892
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:18,639
of

893
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,440
lore at this point about

894
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,159
about what has happened in the last 75

895
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,000
years of secrecy with regard to

896
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,320
with regard to ufology with regard to

897
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,480
ufo tech

898
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,879
the possibility of of recovered

899
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,800
materials and things like this

900
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:41,280
you know i mean this these some of these

901
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,639
some of these stories have been around

902
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,119
for a very long time you know what what

903
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,480
got wilson

904
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,720
originally interested in the story was

905
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,119
apparently the day after roswell right

906
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,280
right which is

907
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,599
a problematic text but it also

908
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,200
you know it also

909
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,560
is a key early account of of the the

910
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,720
roswell crash and retrieval in that

911
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,480
operation right and i'll i'll tell you

912
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,680
right now i wanted to figure out what

913
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,920
the truth after looking at that go ahead

914
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,400
i've proved on this show already like

915
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,520
legitimately that uh colonel corso

916
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,680
there there was an aspect of truth to

917
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:17,760
that there there was a

918
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,280
uh there was a program called project

919
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:22,720
gold eagle

920
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:26,000
and um where they actually

921
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,200
took

922
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:28,880
technology

923
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,640
inserted it into the public sector

924
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,040
that's exactly what corso said

925
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,000
and he you know he said that he didn't

926
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,599
say what the project was called but he

927
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,119
said that and i proved it i found the

928
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:43,440
documents i found a clip from another

929
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:47,680
guy that worked uh you know an attic ftd

930
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,760
put it all together it happened it's a

931
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,079
real thing so it's just

932
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,800
it's it's the part of where the the

933
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,560
stuff came from that nobody believes but

934
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,599
it's like

935
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,079
uh it's so interesting to me like but

936
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,520
going back to what i was saying earlier

937
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:03,200
about the stuff that's just hard to know

938
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,160
like

939
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,400
uh page seven at the bottom you know

940
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,560
judy daley he didn't want to answer my

941
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,400
question on that said i could find out

942
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,040
something from judy daley judith daly

943
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:15,280
assistant deputy under secretary of

944
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,400
defense for advanced development

945
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,599
o-u-s-d-a-t like

946
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,160
i'm i'm sorry like a lot of ufologists

947
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,480
are smart and i love it and they're

948
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,040
great but they just don't know that

949
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,119
they don't know that and i've done

950
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,680
research when like months ago when i

951
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,920
looked in on this stuff trying to find

952
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,280
that person because that's what you do

953
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,200
you look up to the people you look up to

954
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,440
people where were they at this time was

955
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:41,839
that a real position they had and turns

956
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,200
out it was and it wasn't just like you

957
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,040
googled the name and it pops up and you

958
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,880
can click on it so like anybody could

959
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,079
just you know

960
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,640
grab it and throw it in a fake note

961
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,240
thing if they wanted to like it was

962
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,400
incredibly it was hard to find

963
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,400
a actual government

964
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,720
website where it listed her on there in

965
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,640
that role like it was hard it was

966
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,839
difficult and it was on some like off

967
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:08,160
obscure chart that i had to

968
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,280
look at

969
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,839
on a military or a government website

970
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,839
and zoom in and everything and see the

971
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,839
name in the role and and that's a real

972
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,960
deal thing

973
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:19,440
the other thing you know is there's a

974
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,960
lot of other things in here like that

975
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,119
but watch committee is one of them watch

976
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,599
committee or gatekeepers as mentioned as

977
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,040
far as the group that that's right you

978
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,720
know is holding the secrets watch

979
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,640
committee

980
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,440
i'm sorry but no one

981
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,359
not even richard dolan i don't think

982
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,200
knew about the watch committee and that

983
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,960
they really did exist

984
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:40,960
and that they were a real government

985
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,320
program and that in the 50s

986
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,680
they actually did ufo investigations

987
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,599
you know and they were came from the

988
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,520
national indication center

989
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,920
you know and it was their task to get

990
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,880
all

991
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,320
intelligence

992
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:57,920
from the community

993
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,359
as fast as possible from everybody

994
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,040
and that means everything they got all

995
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,560
the intelligence because it was their

996
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:06,000
job to know if there was an imminent

997
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,280
strike coming from somewhere in the

998
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:09,760
world now who else would be looking at

999
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,960
ufos in a group like that

1000
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,720
they did

1001
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:17,520
that's right and and and for for those

1002
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,640
um

1003
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:20,720
for those uh listening now or in the

1004
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,599
future the watch committee um is

1005
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,400
essentially the kind of go-between

1006
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:28,800
um or it's it's it's talked about in the

1007
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,599
wilson davis docks and and in other

1008
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,920
places as being the go between the

1009
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,440
go-between committee between the

1010
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:38,160
pentagon and and or just the branches of

1011
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:39,599
military and

1012
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,040
and contractor programs um with with

1013
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,599
aerospace companies and and defense

1014
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:48,079
contractors things like this and so it's

1015
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,320
at that point uh in 2002 um it was

1016
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,839
reported that there were somewhere

1017
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:56,640
between 300 and 400 names on what was

1018
00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:59,680
called a bigot list and this was the the

1019
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:02,880
list of people that were allowed to know

1020
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,520
about um these secret programs and and

1021
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,079
wilson was not on this list and he was

1022
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,160
briefly shown this list

1023
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,480
and he said that he only recognized a

1024
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,720
handful of the names on there as being

1025
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,880
pentagon related and then pretty much

1026
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,520
everybody else were affiliated with the

1027
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,160
actual defense contractors themselves

1028
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:27,359
and so basically you know that has been

1029
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,880
a long-held piece of lore that that

1030
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,359
the the way that some of these programs

1031
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,760
have been able to keep their secrecy and

1032
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,000
to keep away from government or

1033
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,839
congressional oversight

1034
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,599
is is by

1035
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:42,720
being

1036
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:43,359
in

1037
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,520
one way or another

1038
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,040
and and and by keeping it hidden in that

1039
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,359
way you know if you

1040
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,680
for example in the hearings last week

1041
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,359
moultrie and bray were asked about

1042
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,520
recovered material they're asked about

1043
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,160
physical material and they were told and

1044
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,079
they in the congressional subcommittee

1045
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,880
was was told well the uap task force

1046
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,400
didn't have it

1047
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,800
and that was their way of of pushing it

1048
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,520
off right yeah and anybody who's has

1049
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,920
half a brain and was listening clearly

1050
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,599
could see that they were using weasel

1051
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,359
words to to

1052
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,280
to get out of actually answering the

1053
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,599
question because everybody knows the uap

1054
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:26,800
task force

1055
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,760
was literally two people at that point i

1056
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,839
think and so yeah what they were just

1057
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,280
hauling around

1058
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,000
like a wounded ufo through the halls of

1059
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:38,000
the of the pentagon themselves those two

1060
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,119
people

1061
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,680
uh yeah no that's not the way

1062
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,319
that any of this probably works

1063
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:46,640
no i don't think so

1064
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,240
uh it just just quickly you know the

1065
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,200
watch committee just uh like march 6

1066
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,480
1950

1067
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,440
uh cia department of state army navy air

1068
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,599
force and i'm not saying this is still

1069
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,200
the group that

1070
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,760
holds on to this stuff and throughout

1071
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:05,440
the decades watch committee really

1072
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,480
changed

1073
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,560
and went from one thing to another

1074
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,280
dissolved came back became other things

1075
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:13,040
so you know but i'm just showing you

1076
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,760
that

1077
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,200
you know it it was a real thing so

1078
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,079
um yeah and there's there's one uh

1079
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:22,319
document in particular that

1080
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,520
um

1081
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:24,640
was

1082
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,160
um really um probably the best as far as

1083
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,240
the watch committee goes

1084
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,720
and it actually mentioned

1085
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:34,880
crash like uh

1086
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,839
something to do with crashes but

1087
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,720
you know

1088
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,880
it's

1089
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,680
here's one as late as 1973

1090
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,359
rationalization of watch committee in

1091
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,599
the nic national education center you

1092
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,040
know so it's

1093
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,839
been around for a long time

1094
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,000
uh most definitely so

1095
00:42:13,030 --> 00:41:55,680
it

1096
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,040
so the g2 if if you're not familiar for

1097
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,839
some people is the arm of the the army

1098
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:17,760
which is all over blue book

1099
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,800
uh ufo reports

1100
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:22,160
um so

1101
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,359
you know there there's a lot of stuff

1102
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,440
you can get lost and i got very lost as

1103
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,160
you can see in the watch committee stuff

1104
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:31,040
no but there's plenty there and

1105
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,160
yeah

1106
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,920
and that's and that's amazing i'm so

1107
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,599
glad that you brought that up

1108
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,599
you know and so this is an important

1109
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,839
point because for those that say like

1110
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:42,079
you know there are a few people online

1111
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:42,960
that

1112
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,640
ufo community

1113
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,040
um and

1114
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,520
you know they they often want to present

1115
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,599
themselves as the arbiter of reality for

1116
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:57,680
some reason as if they're a goalkeeper

1117
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,280
for physical reality and

1118
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,800
yeah there you go

1119
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,800
and identified objects flag saucers

1120
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,880
scroll down just a little bit the iac

1121
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,560
requests the watch committee to give

1122
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,040
close attention to indications which may

1123
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:12,960
reflect russian actions that are being

1124
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,359
taken with respect uh to flying saucers

1125
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,119
yeah so so yeah

1126
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,560
all right so

1127
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:22,880
oh no but but this is this points out

1128
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,560
that like it points out just how much if

1129
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,200
these documents were fake

1130
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:31,599
right that you would have had to have

1131
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:32,480
had

1132
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:36,880
somebody that knew thomas wilson so well

1133
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,280
and eric davis so well

1134
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,480
and to know so many key players in both

1135
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,079
of their orbits

1136
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,760
you know like the people that you've

1137
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:47,920
mentioned like oak shannon like these

1138
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,800
other names that are not household names

1139
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,800
they weren't even they weren't ufology

1140
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,280
names at the time they were they were

1141
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,520
very very particular to very particular

1142
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,640
circles

1143
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:01,359
in the military industrial complex

1144
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:05,119
you know and so like who had the

1145
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:06,640
finances

1146
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:09,200
to support you know some kind of like

1147
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,160
crazy

1148
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,400
private detective situation where they

1149
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,599
followed

1150
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,319
wilson and davis for years beforehand

1151
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,960
just to to put together some like shabby

1152
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,880
15-page document

1153
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,119
uh of a one-hour conversation it's

1154
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,560
really kind of a silly idea in a lot of

1155
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,440
ways

1156
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,160
you know oh it's very silly

1157
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,720
but you know people are pretty silly so

1158
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,319
i mean

1159
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,240
it's just it's incredibly it's

1160
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,280
incredibly hard thing uh for for for

1161
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,760
somebody to fake and to take the time to

1162
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,040
do that you have to be incredibly

1163
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,440
knowledged knowledgeable to be able to

1164
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,280
fake all the things that would have been

1165
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:48,960
fake in these notes

1166
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,200
and uh just being a ufologist who would

1167
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,960
you know people would think would be the

1168
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:57,119
ones that would want to fake it so to

1169
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,000
speak

1170
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:00,079
um to get attention or whatever they

1171
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,000
would think you know it doesn't cut it

1172
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,760
because there's too much in here that

1173
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,200
just goes

1174
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,680
uh above our heads

1175
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,000
as far as that goes and you would have

1176
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,160
to have some sort of insider access i

1177
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,680
posted a drive link in the chat if

1178
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,040
people want to look at those sorry for

1179
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,960
scrolling through them so fast but i

1180
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,160
just uh

1181
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,800
i put a lot up you know because of those

1182
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,640
because of these notes

1183
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,720
is what made me look into the watch

1184
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,640
committee and because i looked into the

1185
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,480
watch committee i found all those

1186
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,720
documents that i went through so that's

1187
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:32,480
like you know if anything good came from

1188
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,599
it i i figured that out that's beautiful

1189
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,599
that's beautiful and then and katie

1190
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,680
holland also points out in the chat that

1191
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,079
you know and whoever would have put up

1192
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,400
put this whole thing together you know

1193
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,839
fake like following wilson following

1194
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:50,640
davis enough to somehow you know be able

1195
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:51,440
to

1196
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,040
confabulate a

1197
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,680
a fake pretend meeting between these two

1198
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,599
highly improbable people to have gotten

1199
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,440
together

1200
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,400
you know

1201
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,160
and then anybody that would have been

1202
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,400
around then you know and then they what

1203
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:09,280
they bury the document for 20 years

1204
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,560
just for fun you know just for fun

1205
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,880
knowing that they could confound people

1206
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,200
that maybe hadn't even been born yet

1207
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,200
like what's the point

1208
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,200
and this whole game changes for for an

1209
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,839
individual right if if you're just

1210
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,920
finally ready to admit that there's

1211
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,640
another non-human intelligence

1212
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,040
that's visited earth and that very well

1213
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,760
possibly is probably here on earth

1214
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:35,359
and once you realize that once you

1215
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,480
finally admit that like

1216
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,240
you know

1217
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,000
i think some people are afraid that once

1218
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:43,920
you admit that that means that you're

1219
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,240
just gullible and you believe everything

1220
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:49,040
you know and that you're not

1221
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,920
um

1222
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,079
you know careful with what you believe

1223
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,400
or or you know who you

1224
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,480
talk to or whatever story it is and

1225
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,480
that's just not the case you know you

1226
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,520
have to know

1227
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,359
if you're listening out there like you

1228
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,599
can't believe that there's

1229
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,520
non-human entities

1230
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,280
you know on this earth visiting this

1231
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,680
earth visiting people

1232
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:12,000
and still think constructively and

1233
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,599
critically

1234
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,000
for yourself and that does not believe

1235
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:18,240
that you just believe everything you

1236
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,359
know

1237
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,160
in fact the evidence is strongly uh in

1238
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,280
the corner of non-human entities

1239
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,680
i mean come on it's 75 years of this

1240
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,880
stuff

1241
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,559
longer really but

1242
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:32,720
much longer yeah i mean

1243
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,599
like since we've been able to document

1244
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,800
it more accurately given given

1245
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,200
technology in the growth of technology

1246
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,160
yeah 75 80 years there but you know you

1247
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,480
can look at books like wonders in the

1248
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,920
sky by

1249
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:50,000
jacques valle and chris allback to to

1250
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,960
see

1251
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,720
hundreds of cases that go back

1252
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:54,319
throughout history you know right

1253
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:55,440
there's

1254
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,559
uap phenomena paranormal

1255
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,119
paranormal phenomena the accounts of

1256
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,400
experiencers in one way or another go it

1257
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:06,160
goes back hundreds and hundreds of years

1258
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,040
in in in cultures all over the world

1259
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,720
um you know we're preaching to the choir

1260
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,480
here in the audience but of course

1261
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,920
sometimes it's uh sometimes it's

1262
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,240
important to to to get back to the

1263
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:17,760
baseline of what we're really talking

1264
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,559
about and how ludicrous it would be to

1265
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:23,040
say that this that this doesn't exist

1266
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,000
you know

1267
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,160
basically the gig is up especially

1268
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,760
because we're talking to you know the

1269
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:29,599
two of us are also experiencers of

1270
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:33,040
ourselves of uh phenomenon so you know

1271
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,839
it's

1272
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,920
we get used to these situations where we

1273
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,240
have to kind of like translate it and

1274
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,079
kind of and kind of

1275
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,480
not necessarily dumb it down but kind of

1276
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,720
but kind of reduce it down to the lowest

1277
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,319
common denominator so we can get it

1278
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,160
across to people and sometimes we do

1279
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,839
that through documents sometimes we do

1280
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,079
that through these kinds of and oh my

1281
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,359
god i got sirens so i'll wait

1282
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,920
oh i think they're done okay great

1283
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,280
i'm pretty sure they're not coming for

1284
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,680
me this time but uh you know sounds like

1285
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:04,000
a loud environment maybe hard to sleep

1286
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:04,720
in

1287
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,570
yeah yeah

1288
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,520
[Laughter]

1289
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,440
that's all right yeah do you want to

1290
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,200
look at this website at all

1291
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,359
sure yeah we can look at ufo joe's we

1292
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,119
can look at his old drops we can look at

1293
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,200
um we could look at the actual documents

1294
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,720
themselves and we can do that reading

1295
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,720
that that um katie holland already paid

1296
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:23,040
us for sure we can do it yeah i can go a

1297
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,400
little over if you'd like you know

1298
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,559
that's absolutely fine you want to do a

1299
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,079
little reading let's start at a certain

1300
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,720
page how about that well let's start

1301
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,400
well i mean we can start at the

1302
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,240
beginning and then zip forward so that

1303
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:36,000
people have like kind of like a scene

1304
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:37,280
setting

1305
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,079
um

1306
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,319
well now my papers are all

1307
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,760
are all messed up because i've been

1308
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:43,839
flipping through them this whole time

1309
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,200
but uh and i don't have it memorized yet

1310
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,559
believe it or not

1311
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,800
i just don't you know

1312
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:52,480
but um

1313
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,030
yeah okay so we'll start with page one

1314
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,480
who do you want to be

1315
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,720
um okay so

1316
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,720
let's see why not

1317
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,319
why don't you be thomas wilson because

1318
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:07,760
then you get all the juicy lines and

1319
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,839
then i'll be eric davis

1320
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,119
um how about that

1321
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,880
i should have well if i get to if i get

1322
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,480
the juicy lines i'm gonna need a bigger

1323
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,079
cut of that five bucks

1324
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,000
okay that's fine okay

1325
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,640
you get three i get two how's that okay

1326
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,359
is all right okay all right let's do it

1327
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,160
okay all right cool all right so um i

1328
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:29,920
wish i c i wish i would have worn like a

1329
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:32,319
really fun tie and like a really busy

1330
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:33,119
right

1331
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,800
download it inside of a car picture and

1332
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,119
put it as our background yeah probably

1333
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,280
that would probably be good

1334
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,680
so this kind of set this stage go ahead

1335
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:51,119
so we're setting the stage no while you

1336
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:52,319
do that i'm just going to buy you some

1337
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:55,920
time so okay uh so eric davis wrote

1338
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:59,440
these notes i mean you know according to

1339
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,319
many

1340
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,200
people eric davis wrote these notes

1341
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,520
probably the same day

1342
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,960
as the meeting

1343
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:08,880
and probably

1344
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,240
right afterwards or soon thereafter

1345
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,319
that's the understanding of what's

1346
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,599
happening here and so again

1347
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,920
eric davis

1348
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,880
was

1349
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:24,000
introduced through back channels um to

1350
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,839
the i um

1351
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:28,480
he wanted to meet with uh with thomas

1352
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,599
wilson

1353
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,480
who

1354
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,680
uh

1355
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,599
is a

1356
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:35,359
what

1357
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,670
yeah okay

1358
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:45,839
so

1359
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,880
man

1360
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:50,880
no no no it's good just keep going keep

1361
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,839
going with it it's fine it's fine

1362
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,520
so okay

1363
00:52:02,950 --> 00:51:56,720
so

1364
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,960
13th director of the defense

1365
00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:04,960
intelligence agency so this is like a

1366
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:05,960
super

1367
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,839
the defense intelligence agency

1368
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,000
okay other flag rank assignments

1369
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,480
included director of intelligence j2 he

1370
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,160
was actually j-2 when this meeting

1371
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,079
happened as i recalled so he was the

1372
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,760
director of intelligence j2 for the

1373
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,440
joint chiefs of staff

1374
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,760
he's also associate director of central

1375
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,599
intelligence for military support for

1376
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,200
the cia

1377
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,800
vice director of intelligence for the

1378
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,400
joint chiefs of staff and director of

1379
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:33,920
intelligence

1380
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,559
at united states atlantic command

1381
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,079
following retirement from the navy in

1382
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,240
2002 he served in several senior

1383
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,520
executive

1384
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,359
roles for alliant tech systems

1385
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:44,720
incorporated

1386
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,839
and many other roles oh that's martha

1387
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,440
griman by the way

1388
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,359
that's a good point to bring up

1389
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,480
thank you yeah and he's still alive uh

1390
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,119
uh he's 76 years old and he still

1391
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,960
adamantly denies that this meeting took

1392
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:01,440
place all right so that's that's

1393
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,640
that's a key

1394
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:04,400
element what we're about to recreate

1395
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,359
about

1396
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,160
and and dr eric davis as we said at the

1397
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,079
top of the show um

1398
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:11,839
has has worked for the national

1399
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,839
institute for discovery science for many

1400
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:16,079
years he worked for earth tech under how

1401
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,880
put off um he's he um was on the asap

1402
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,920
project

1403
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,720
so he's been a subcontractor for the d

1404
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,559
for the defense intelligence agency

1405
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,160
himself

1406
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,480
and now he works for aerospace

1407
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:32,960
corporation which is a conveniently

1408
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:36,000
generically titled aerospace corporation

1409
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,880
that

1410
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,400
where he is based out of huntsville

1411
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,880
alabama and we can at some point in the

1412
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,319
future maybe we can talk a little bit

1413
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,480
more about huntsville

1414
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,119
so much to talk about yeah i know

1415
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,119
this is such like a rich

1416
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,119
cornucopia that just comes across from

1417
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,359
this 15 pages of notes but

1418
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,119
boy do i love that like this is

1419
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,800
screenshot worthy right here this is

1420
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,680
great

1421
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:58,800
okay

1422
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,800
it's my steering wheel by the way

1423
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:02,800
that's good i like it the ring helps you

1424
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:07,040
got it okay put the arm up next wait

1425
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:08,400
yeah do you have your arm around me i

1426
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,910
no

1427
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,390
let me tell you something i heard some

1428
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,160
stuff

1429
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:22,640
like i'm like leaning away from you

1430
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:23,359
all right

1431
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:26,480
only manage a little bit of this before

1432
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,589
okay so here we go uh eric so

1433
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,960
october 16 2002

1434
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:39,119
here we are

1435
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:42,160
um so i'll i'll do the setup because i'm

1436
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,280
eric davis

1437
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,160
rich says to go to the eg g special

1438
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:48,960
projects building at greer in paradise

1439
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,319
quote meet at 10 am don't be late then

1440
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,400
he says it's 10 10

1441
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,480
and the admiral is late

1442
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,200
uh he arrives with two navy officers in

1443
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:01,839
uniform he's in a suit

1444
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,480
a civilian suit

1445
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,240
and then he says a petty officer is

1446
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:07,839
driving the car

1447
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,599
greetings with admiral wilson so they

1448
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,960
have a little handshake back and forth

1449
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,440
whatever that happened okay we sit in

1450
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:18,559
his car in back of eg building

1451
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,680
talk until 11 20. so this meeting was uh

1452
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,680
an hour and 10 minutes long others

1453
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,839
departed for building to attend meeting

1454
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,079
inside at 10 10.

1455
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:32,559
so they were apparently alone in the

1456
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,760
back of admiral wilson's car in the eg

1457
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:37,760
special projects building parking lot at

1458
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,240
greer in paradise okay

1459
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:42,880
hello uh the minute i saw your resume

1460
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,680
u.s uniform services id copy air force

1461
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,240
orders and physics papers rich cave i

1462
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:50,000
knew who you were

1463
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:52,000
put two and two together

1464
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,359
figured you out

1465
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,760
figured who you were

1466
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,280
you don't want to talk about any career

1467
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,280
dia history

1468
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,680
no actually not

1469
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,359
yeah i recalled phone call with oaky

1470
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,000
shannon at phone about august 99 big

1471
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,000
okay shannon fan if it was a band i'd

1472
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:09,920
buy all their albums go back 10 years in

1473
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,880
the navy before okie left for it

1474
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,880
l.a

1475
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,559
la no

1476
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,040
sorry okay so so the band the band line

1477
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,880
that wasn't actually in there but it was

1478
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,760
an embellishment all right

1479
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,920
okay keep going you got the next one too

1480
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:27,920
oh red um

1481
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,720
uh okay talk to two hours wanted to

1482
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:33,280
convince to talk to me uh about what he

1483
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:34,720
told will miller

1484
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,760
uh june 97 april 97

1485
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:40,480
regarding uh boston globe story leslie

1486
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:41,280
keane

1487
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:44,880
yep ufo topic crash retrieve ufo craft

1488
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,720
bodies etc mj 12 like ufo organization

1489
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,359
or cabal

1490
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:54,079
so a brief pause here at

1491
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,880
this

1492
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,640
it's important to note that these notes

1493
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,040
are apparently eric davis trying to do

1494
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,440
kind of an immediate recollection of the

1495
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,160
conversation pretty much start to finish

1496
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,079
for the purposes of being able to

1497
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:08,880
recount it to other people

1498
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,240
uh in his closed circle that uh would

1499
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,319
have an interest in this meeting or you

1500
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,400
know uh were in his work circle

1501
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:19,520
essentially right um and

1502
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:20,400
so

1503
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:26,400
them are kind of paraphase quotes that

1504
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,680
may have actually happened in the

1505
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,680
conversation so that's pretty important

1506
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:31,119
and it's also important to note that

1507
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,400
pretty much everybody that works with

1508
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,480
eric davis says he has a mind like a

1509
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,640
steel trap he's like an exceedingly

1510
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,480
sober person that is

1511
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,119
borderline on the spectrum in terms of

1512
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,359
like how he's able to recount

1513
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,319
information conversation and that's seen

1514
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,960
i've seen that to be true in in recorded

1515
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,799
interviews with him

1516
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,720
which is interesting to it like i've

1517
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,319
we've all heard the movie script thing

1518
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,240
if if this was a movie script you're not

1519
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:58,079
going to put your personal notes after

1520
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,680
every line you know like

1521
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,680
that's right like you know like what he

1522
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,880
writes in here

1523
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,400
you know which is you know just

1524
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:09,040
interesting so can uh as sean before we

1525
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,960
continue can can you uh highlight

1526
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,960
katie's this is the best five dollars i

1527
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,240
ever spent and just leave it on the

1528
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,400
frame for a little bit just because

1529
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,599
you know

1530
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:19,520
feel a little cheap but yeah there we go

1531
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:22,160
no that's great yeah okay all right

1532
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,960
thanks

1533
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,559
just so we have someone to blame it on

1534
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:26,240
if people are tuning in i get it that's

1535
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:27,520
right that's right

1536
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,910
so anyway i'll get back into my eric

1537
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,799
davis

1538
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,720
you got a big line coming up

1539
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,359
what was said

1540
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,559
uh confirmed greer miller mitchell gave

1541
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,799
a talk in pentagon conference room

1542
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:45,200
uh administration admin uh mike crawford

1543
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:48,960
general pat hughes uses boss for present

1544
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,359
uh date april 1997.

1545
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,799
you should do like the thought bubbles

1546
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,559
ed mitchell said four or nine edgar

1547
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:58,799
mitchell said that this meeting happened

1548
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,599
april 9th in 1997 and this was a long

1549
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:04,319
rumored meeting um and so thomas wilson

1550
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,839
confirming it at that time was big news

1551
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:09,839
uh after group broke up miller wilson

1552
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:12,799
talked privately two hours on ufos mj 12

1553
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,760
roswell crashed ufos alien bodies

1554
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,079
uh tw intrigue knew about intelligence

1555
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,119
on u.s mill intel ufo close encounters

1556
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,040
and foreign government encounters seen

1557
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,119
records told miller

1558
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,599
yes miller asked the question on mj12

1559
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:30,000
ufo cabal crashed ufo

1560
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:33,520
confirmed he called miller late june 97

1561
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:35,839
and told that he miller was right there

1562
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,270
what did you tell

1563
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:44,789
i found it

1564
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:47,680
where i looked who i talked to but did

1565
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,119
not name everyone that's it

1566
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,559
then i showed

1567
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:55,040
i showed miller the letter

1568
01:00:02,470 --> 00:59:58,880
to me eric w davis dated april 25th

1569
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,480
2002. and i asked

1570
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,000
thomas wilson

1571
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:06,000
to please evaluate

1572
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,309
didn't tell miller everything

1573
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,160
miller knows what i did in the pentagon

1574
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,400
records group search but no more

1575
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,319
miller can make good educated guess on

1576
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,400
who contractors you know has alien

1577
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:21,760
hardware

1578
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,160
do not pay miller sounds hired up to pay

1579
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,319
for a nice florida home and private

1580
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,040
beach privilege

1581
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,799
miller could give good advice on which

1582
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,799
defense companies to look at that's all

1583
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:34,400
he knows

1584
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,079
about changes and then he then he

1585
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,720
changes the subject

1586
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:40,480
okay that's good

1587
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,670
we did that for kitty

1588
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,839
we did that for katie we could i mean we

1589
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:49,839
could continue all all day with this but

1590
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,520
uh all right go ahead i mean okay okay

1591
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:54,880
so

1592
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,280
there's actually an insert in the notes

1593
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,960
and that's partially why this is

1594
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,200
sometimes called the docs rather than a

1595
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,240
doc is that there's an insert within

1596
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:08,880
these shorthand notes where

1597
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,799
where um davis had collated in

1598
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:14,640
a a letter

1599
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:18,480
to eric davis from will miller

1600
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,440
all right

1601
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:21,280
um and so

1602
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,720
again this is a situation where if these

1603
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:27,599
were fake notes and they weren't

1604
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:28,640
you know

1605
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,359
they weren't from eric davis himself

1606
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,000
you know why would there be this letter

1607
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,880
to eric davis with his address and on

1608
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:37,680
this

1609
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,880
official letterhead from will miller

1610
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:43,119
from this conversation it's a little

1611
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:47,359
silly so anyway this yeah right

1612
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,559
um

1613
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:50,799
and so

1614
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:53,359
so then it goes back after will will

1615
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,480
miller's

1616
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:56,640
uh

1617
01:02:03,270 --> 01:01:59,760
notes where he's saying like

1618
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:06,390
talking about special teams craft senior

1619
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:10,079
officials arvs area 51 and he's kind of

1620
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:11,200
re

1621
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:20,319
you know a lot of this conversation

1622
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,079
rolls rolls around

1623
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,200
not just what eric davis wants to know

1624
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,160
but it's what hal put off wants to know

1625
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,799
and that's like a key connecting point

1626
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:32,240
um that

1627
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,599
people

1628
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,000
haven't really connected the dots on

1629
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,400
and i i can't really like i don't want

1630
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,119
to go too much further down that road

1631
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,880
but you know

1632
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:44,960
eric the idea that eric davis would have

1633
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:47,119
done this on his own time for special

1634
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,480
credit

1635
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,400
right that he couldn't that he could

1636
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:53,039
have pulled off this meeting on his own

1637
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,640
right um is

1638
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:56,480
is highly unlikely

1639
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:59,039
and when he's going to do a meeting like

1640
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,319
this

1641
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,400
out there in nevada

1642
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,559
you have to think you have to remember

1643
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,480
who was in nevada and who was he working

1644
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,079
for at the time and who was he working

1645
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:10,960
for around that time

1646
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:13,760
you know bob bigelow right casino bosses

1647
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,480
or bob bigelow yeah right and who is his

1648
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,039
direct supervisor during these years and

1649
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,440
years following uh hell buddha yeah

1650
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,760
that's right that's right so

1651
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:25,920
anyway um it's

1652
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:28,079
when when people when people look at

1653
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:29,839
these documents it's important to just

1654
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:31,839
kind of like go the extra go the extra

1655
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:34,640
two steps and you know that sure there's

1656
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,400
a little bit of conjecture there but it

1657
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:39,039
helps fill out the picture in in in

1658
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:40,880
quite a serious way

1659
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,640
yeah um

1660
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:45,119
that was great that was great especially

1661
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,640
the acting part

1662
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,799
i love doing that with you i love how i

1663
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,400
can just be silly and then you reign it

1664
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:52,960
in with intelligence and seriousness so

1665
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:55,760
oh i appreciate that well don't oversell

1666
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:56,559
me

1667
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:59,119
um but

1668
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,720
but basically over the course of the

1669
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:02,079
rest of the docs and people should

1670
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,920
really look at them these themselves and

1671
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:05,359
it would be helpful since we're already

1672
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:07,039
in overtime i mean we could go into a

1673
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:08,319
whole nother show about the rest of

1674
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,359
these talks and we can you know but it's

1675
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,920
important to recognize that that okay a

1676
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:16,160
look at the docs themselves b there have

1677
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:20,000
been several really really great um

1678
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:21,920
kind of

1679
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,559
histories of these notes and the chain

1680
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,799
of custody and things like that from the

1681
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,720
time when they were leaked

1682
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,880
and some of that goes into kind of the

1683
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,960
history from before

1684
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,200
the public week when people had been

1685
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,960
already talking about this for a little

1686
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:37,839
bit

1687
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,960
and so um people should definitely check

1688
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:41,760
out

1689
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:44,240
um i think giuliano's

1690
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:47,520
um juliana marinkovich um his his

1691
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,400
history over on omnitalk radio um is a

1692
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:51,760
good one to do

1693
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,200
joe has a four part

1694
01:05:03,109 --> 01:04:59,599
very exhaustive kind of history of it

1695
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:04,630
i mean exactly

1696
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,359
not exhausted exhaustive like he's like

1697
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:09,200
he goes into an extraordinary amount of

1698
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:11,839
detail admirable admirable detail

1699
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,480
definitely um absolutely and so people

1700
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:16,079
should we should put those in the show

1701
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:18,640
notes maybe or or or uh you know

1702
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:20,559
recirculate them on on twitter after the

1703
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:23,359
show because yeah there's a lot of great

1704
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:25,839
history here and unfortunately it can't

1705
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:28,000
all be fit into a one-hour program but

1706
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,760
um is there anything else that you'd

1707
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:31,839
like to go into or i can go into a

1708
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,680
little bit more overtime if you'd like

1709
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,359
yeah i mean i'm not doing anything i'm

1710
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:37,440
not busy i could i could use a break but

1711
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,559
other than that

1712
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:40,559
um i'm having a good time

1713
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:41,680
so okay

1714
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,559
um let's see let's check out um

1715
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,559
would be an interesting show on harold

1716
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:48,000
it says james world let's just look

1717
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:49,599
through the chat a little bit here

1718
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,240
someone make a uap playing card deck for

1719
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,240
reference of key figures it says katie

1720
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,640
allen that's a great idea

1721
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,640
it's i i wish i would have thought of it

1722
01:06:01,270 --> 01:06:00,480
because someone's gonna do it now and

1723
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:01,280
probably

1724
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,950
that's really

1725
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:10,799
i love how you went directly from that

1726
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:13,280
to getting screwed in the future

1727
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:14,640
by somebody

1728
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:23,990
would be a great idea like uh

1729
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,079
yeah or like a scene it

1730
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:28,160
yep yeah yeah those kind of games seen

1731
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,079
it sure yeah yeah that would be pretty

1732
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,960
good so i shared uh omnitalk's uh

1733
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:35,520
website in the in the chat there and i

1734
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:39,760
did uh ufo joes previously some people

1735
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,920
got it somebody screenshotted our

1736
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:43,280
picture already

1737
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,240
yeah

1738
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:46,640
jan john simulating meeting in car love

1739
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,270
oh that's great and uh

1740
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:55,200
and one other um

1741
01:07:02,069 --> 01:06:58,319
and and one other key well actually two

1742
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:02,079
um two other key places to go to kind of

1743
01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,000
do a little bit of follow-up research

1744
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,079
and we could go into these in in like a

1745
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,480
future show if you'd like to um

1746
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,079
that uh

1747
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,960
would be richard dolan did a really

1748
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:14,720
great breakdown

1749
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:17,119
of of the notes themselves and he went

1750
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,960
page by page he didn't do all the voices

1751
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:20,079
like we do

1752
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:22,960
and um you know he i don't even think he

1753
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:25,440
has a beard in that one no i think he

1754
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,839
does but um but um so uh rich

1755
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,160
has a pretty great breakdown going

1756
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,240
through page by page and really kind of

1757
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,079
breaking down the key players

1758
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,400
what their job what their roles were

1759
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:40,559
what their history was how they knew

1760
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,920
davis and wilson it's

1761
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,520
it's a pretty key

1762
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:47,200
um video and it came out right when the

1763
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,799
drop happened right when the leak

1764
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,680
happened so that's that's a pretty key

1765
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:53,599
um place to go

1766
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:57,039
and one other place to go would be

1767
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,839
um

1768
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,520
that there was

1769
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,359
uh

1770
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:03,119
project unity

1771
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:04,319
um

1772
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:07,920
jay from project unity had a guy on

1773
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:11,599
named mr x and around when this leak

1774
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,240
happened and you know we can we can

1775
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,400
scoff at mr x but i know who i know who

1776
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:17,920
mr x is

1777
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,799
um

1778
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,920
he was somebody that was kind of

1779
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,679
floating around the richard dolan orbit

1780
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,880
at the time

1781
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,400
and um

1782
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,319
and mr x

1783
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:29,120
and j project unity did a really

1784
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:31,759
exhaustive breakdown as well so if

1785
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:35,040
you're if after us after ufo joe after

1786
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,159
all of this if you still want to go into

1787
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:40,080
really granular detail

1788
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,600
uh jproject unity and mr x did a six

1789
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,520
hour deep dive

1790
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:47,759
into the history

1791
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,239
uh the the chain of custody what the

1792
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:52,480
notes meant where like where you can

1793
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,440
kind of

1794
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,440
take all of the threads in these

1795
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:57,520
documents and they did a really

1796
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,400
admirable job you know

1797
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:02,319
and people people can think whatever

1798
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,600
they want of certain people's

1799
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:05,359
personalities or whatever but that was

1800
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:07,279
that was a really good deep dive there

1801
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:08,239
sure

1802
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,759
um do you

1803
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:11,839
do you feel like you want to keep going

1804
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,159
you got something to do

1805
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:15,839
well um were you just going to leave me

1806
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:17,839
while you go smoke a cigarette and then

1807
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:19,359
well we could take a break i was gonna

1808
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:22,000
put up a like a one of my songs just as

1809
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:23,359
like a break thing

1810
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:24,960
oh sure okay yeah we could do it we

1811
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,880
could do a few we could do a few more

1812
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,319
minutes after you yeah you can do a

1813
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:31,279
little bit of that okay

1814
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,400
we'll be

1815
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,799
right back how about that

1816
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,040
and we'll just go until someone says i

1817
01:09:42,420 --> 01:09:39,920
got something else to do sorry

1818
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:42,430
is that fair

1819
01:09:56,230 --> 01:10:07,830
[Music]

1820
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:09,230
supposedly

1821
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:18,740
it's phenomenal

1822
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:20,149
[Music]

1823
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:21,890
recklessly

1824
01:10:29,670 --> 01:10:27,189
like love

1825
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:29,680
for my girl

1826
01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:37,840
[Music]

1827
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:40,920
you could say a fire is still

1828
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:44,080
[Music]

1829
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:48,050
i'm banging on a drum of the fortune

1830
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,000
[Music]

1831
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:52,880
blood pumping for

1832
01:10:57,940 --> 01:10:55,760
unrealistic

1833
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:57,950
don't let the world

1834
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,679
[Music]

1835
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:01,280
kill your spirit

1836
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:08,410
i could

1837
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,520
[Music]

1838
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:19,520
don't let the world

1839
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,880
[Music]

1840
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:24,239
kill

1841
01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:29,590
[Music]

1842
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:33,680
like a silver girl

1843
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:45,530
hopelessly

1844
01:11:51,980 --> 01:11:49,920
[Music]

1845
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:51,990
all good

1846
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:55,920
[Music]

1847
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:58,810
loosely

1848
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:01,990
[Music]

1849
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:13,910
peacefully

1850
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:16,770
till i know it's enough

1851
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:19,679
[Music]

1852
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,970
see a fire is still lit

1853
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:31,920
[Music]

1854
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:41,110
blood pumping

1855
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,000
or unrealistic

1856
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:50,460
kill your spirit

1857
01:13:05,750 --> 01:12:55,990
like a silver girl

1858
01:13:07,770 --> 01:13:05,760
[Music]

1859
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:07,780
don't let the world

1860
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:14,040
kill your spirit

1861
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:29,750
[Music]

1862
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:35,030
don't let the world

1863
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:37,770
kill your spirits what's up everybody

1864
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,560
[Music]

1865
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:43,120
thanks for listening

1866
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,630
i do appreciate it

1867
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,990
hope you dig it it's not too bad for you

1868
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,920
mr j

1869
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:57,280
what's up buddy

1870
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,640
ed

1871
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,400
i like that song

1872
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,520
thank you

1873
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,000
it's it's an emotional one uh i wrote

1874
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:06,880
that after our interview

1875
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:13,590
uh we did an interview with this irish

1876
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:15,440
guy

1877
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,880
oh james tunney yeah james tunney and uh

1878
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,560
you were talking about spirit and all

1879
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,760
that kind of stuff and you know for sure

1880
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:26,400
kind of getting away from from ourselves

1881
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:29,440
and our spirit and um

1882
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:31,600
like even just like nuts and bolts and

1883
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,280
you know talking about just ships and

1884
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:35,840
hardware all the time and and we forget

1885
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:38,560
about our own consciousness and

1886
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:39,520
in

1887
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,880
you know the role that that probably

1888
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,640
plays in this and i just said on twitter

1889
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,480
the other day like i think the one thing

1890
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,719
that gets left out about a lot of this

1891
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:49,040
stuff is the human emotion i mean what

1892
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:50,239
what

1893
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,840
you know and a lot of that came from um

1894
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:55,760
from him and that inspiration from him

1895
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:58,159
in in the talk about uh mo you know what

1896
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,679
an experience is

1897
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,760
just an experience but it's about the

1898
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:03,120
effect

1899
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:07,040
that the experience had on you

1900
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:07,920
and

1901
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:11,760
kind of the most important part of

1902
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,760
almost all of this really you know even

1903
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:15,520
if you're not an experiencer what's the

1904
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,640
effect that

1905
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,199
watching these videos you know or or

1906
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:21,120
thinking about this has on you a

1907
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:23,600
different kind of life a bigger universe

1908
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:26,560
that has an effect on you um and

1909
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,960
you know that's that's a big deal

1910
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,640
absolutely and it's a really great

1911
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:32,719
balance point to these

1912
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:33,679
to

1913
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,400
hearings and things like that you're

1914
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,800
absolutely right you know we often need

1915
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:40,239
new frameworks

1916
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,320
for how we understand

1917
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,400
the world around us when we consider

1918
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,719
these topics and how we can even

1919
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:48,400
understand ourselves

1920
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:49,520
you know

1921
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:52,159
and and it's important to remember that

1922
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,360
because

1923
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:55,920
when it comes down to it as many of us

1924
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:56,719
know

1925
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:59,199
that if if you've been in this field for

1926
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:01,040
any length of time at all you recognize

1927
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,080
that the physical the documents

1928
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:06,640
you know the the trace evidence and

1929
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:08,320
things like that that's

1930
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,400
you know maybe that's five percent maybe

1931
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:12,239
that's two percent of

1932
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:13,520
of

1933
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,239
about the cases about the accounts what

1934
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:22,400
may have happened to yourself

1935
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:25,920
you know and and what it really what it

1936
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,400
really implies about a richer

1937
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:31,040
ecosystem a richer world a richer inner

1938
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,679
life and a richer outer life it's it's a

1939
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,000
lot to take in you know and it's

1940
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,480
important to remember that the aspect of

1941
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,400
consciousness your emotional life all

1942
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:41,920
these things and

1943
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,560
to try to be able to integrate it into

1944
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:47,280
the life that we have ahead of us

1945
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,640
i i mean i think he said that

1946
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,400
beautifully um

1947
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,560
as many documents as i've read in the

1948
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,640
past year and a half two years

1949
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:56,960
which is a lot

1950
01:17:02,149 --> 01:17:00,640
you know it's like i don't have time to

1951
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,159
even read books for the most part

1952
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,239
because because of like my books have

1953
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:06,480
become blue book documents or or other

1954
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,080
research documents

1955
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,560
you know and i've learned so much uh

1956
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:12,000
throughout that

1957
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,080
and a couple of the things

1958
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,880
that that stick with me the most is is

1959
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:19,120
what uh experiencers

1960
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:24,000
um have to live with every day which is

1961
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,120
um

1962
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,760
no one really believes me do i even

1963
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:29,679
believe myself

1964
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:31,679
well why do i even talk about this why

1965
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:33,600
do i report that you know back then i

1966
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,320
was

1967
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,800
reporting this to people so many reports

1968
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,480
civilian reports

1969
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,920
everyone talks about the air force

1970
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:41,520
reports and everything

1971
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:44,320
or military reports but there's so many

1972
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,560
civilian reports of

1973
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:49,920
where they were listed as um you know

1974
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,960
respectable people not excitable didn't

1975
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,880
want publicity

1976
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:57,040
you know and still were more or less

1977
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,719
told to buzz off

1978
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:00,480
like the one i showed today on twitter

1979
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:03,199
about uh like there was a landing or

1980
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:04,880
whatever like a supposed landing and

1981
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:07,440
they were measuring it or whatever

1982
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:09,199
and they showed the depressions and

1983
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:12,640
stuff of it this guy it's in in in the

1984
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:14,560
like synopsis they go oh these are kind

1985
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,360
of like uh markings animals around here

1986
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:19,280
i have been known to

1987
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,120
make and whatever it's like the guy saw

1988
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:24,080
it the guy saw the thing

1989
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,520
in the sky

1990
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,360
go to the spot

1991
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,120
yeah you know and you're you're saying

1992
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:30,880
that the guy doesn't

1993
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:33,920
want publicity he would deny it if he

1994
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:37,040
gave it you know if somebody

1995
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,000
you know

1996
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,480
told somebody else about his story

1997
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,719
and you're sitting here saying he didn't

1998
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,360
see it because an animal made it you

1999
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:48,480
know or whatever and it's like

2000
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:52,640
yeah it's so um it's just like so the

2001
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:55,679
disrespect and the humiliation that that

2002
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:58,320
experiencers have to live with

2003
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:59,280
um

2004
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:01,520
you know is just like

2005
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,120
the real story to me and the reason like

2006
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:07,679
the real driving reason that i do this i

2007
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:08,800
don't do

2008
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,360
uh stuff as hard as i do this or other

2009
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:14,000
things if it's not

2010
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,960
um if if the engine isn't caring

2011
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:18,560
uh for somebody who's been wronged

2012
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:20,960
that's what drives me you know

2013
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:23,440
like um and and that's what's behind all

2014
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,159
this all all the time and why i do all

2015
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:28,880
this is people like in the chat robert

2016
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:30,719
who's had an experience and

2017
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:33,120
and other people who've had experiences

2018
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:34,880
and have studied this for their whole

2019
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:37,280
life and and don't get answers

2020
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:38,719
because the government is so

2021
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:41,840
tight-lipped on it you know and

2022
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,520
something that needs to change like

2023
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,199
there needs to be a different

2024
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,679
world out there for people to

2025
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,679
you know

2026
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:52,080
be okay with themselves

2027
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,520
because at the end of the day the

2028
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:55,120
experience is you

2029
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:56,719
know absolutely

2030
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,480
and you know it's important to remember

2031
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,159
that these

2032
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,560
when we get documents like this when we

2033
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,199
get leaks like this that that

2034
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:09,520
this isn't the ultimate arbiter of

2035
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:13,120
reality you know that like it i don't

2036
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:14,080
you know

2037
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,639
the true nature of reality the true

2038
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:18,480
nature of our existence

2039
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:21,040
the answers to these big questions they

2040
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:23,600
probably can't fit through a fax machine

2041
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,560
you know

2042
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:26,320
and it's important to remember it's

2043
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:29,199
important to remember that often because

2044
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:31,040
you know even towards the end of the

2045
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:35,360
documents wilson is re recounting um a

2046
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:37,520
meeting that he had with this guy jack

2047
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:39,120
gansler okay

2048
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:41,840
and i remember when i first saw these

2049
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,800
notes

2050
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,960
you know and and i was

2051
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,560
furiously reading through them and i was

2052
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:49,520
like looking for any you know any

2053
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,480
inroads into what was really going on

2054
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,320
and gansler

2055
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:57,120
said that somebody else told him

2056
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,920
that ufos are real so-called alien

2057
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,239
abductions are not real

2058
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:04,639
all right and you know this is like

2059
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:07,840
third-hand information and at this point

2060
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,679
you know wilson is just recounting

2061
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,760
whatever he'd been kind of told as

2062
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,679
scuttlebutt or kind of second-hand

2063
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,159
information from other people that are

2064
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:19,120
on a similarly high up level as he was

2065
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:21,760
and i remember how

2066
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:23,120
furious

2067
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:25,760
i was in reading that how

2068
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:26,639
how

2069
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,159
bewildered and angry i was

2070
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,239
just to read you know alien abductions

2071
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:34,800
aren't real in this document it really

2072
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:38,239
hurt me it really it it hurt me because

2073
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:40,000
things like that had happened to myself

2074
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:41,440
that it happened to other people that i

2075
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:45,280
knew and you know i've only and in the

2076
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,719
years since then i like i know many many

2077
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:50,400
more people that have had similar

2078
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,159
situations

2079
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:55,040
and contact experiences very close

2080
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:56,880
contact experiences

2081
01:22:02,470 --> 01:21:58,639
and it's

2082
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,480
it can be really flummoxing and

2083
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,199
and challenging and triggering

2084
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:06,960
um when you

2085
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:09,280
try to look

2086
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:10,960
at

2087
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:14,320
these documents or any documents like

2088
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,600
this as as giving you validation

2089
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,159
yourself as an experiencer that's not

2090
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,560
necessarily the way to do this you know

2091
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,480
we kind of partially rejoice in

2092
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,040
documents like this because it can be a

2093
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:29,840
halfway point where the rubber can meet

2094
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,159
the road between the ineffable the

2095
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,120
liminal these hard these barely tangible

2096
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:37,920
brief experiences where people like

2097
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,400
stewart can have an experience with a

2098
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,800
non-human nudity for like one minute and

2099
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,639
it can like completely change the course

2100
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,000
of his life and there are a lot of

2101
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:48,560
people like that right yeah yeah yeah i

2102
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,870
you know whatever you say life is short

2103
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:57,360
or long depends on how exciting it is i

2104
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,480
guess but

2105
01:23:01,430 --> 01:23:00,400
you know it

2106
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,440
i'm

2107
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:03,440
38 years old

2108
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,199
and my life has become what

2109
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:09,600
took a few seconds

2110
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:10,880
you know

2111
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:13,679
what what what barely took

2112
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:16,480
much time at all you know and

2113
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,840
you go through all these emotional

2114
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:20,000
battles uh you know relationships

2115
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:21,440
ex-girlfriends

2116
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:24,400
lost jobs you know um

2117
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:25,840
whatever it is

2118
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:26,880
and

2119
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,239
this thing that you see that uh affects

2120
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:32,000
you so profoundly

2121
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,679
um 13

2122
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:36,000
feet and in front of my face 40 feet

2123
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:39,280
above my head a dream premonition that

2124
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,239
comes true all within like a week or so

2125
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:43,920
time and

2126
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:46,880
that's what my life is about now

2127
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,120
you know it's

2128
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,199
it's crazy you know

2129
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,440
i mean i don't mean it that way but it's

2130
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,280
just to think about that

2131
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:57,280
is insane

2132
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:59,120
about how that works

2133
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,040
like i spent so much in my life making

2134
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,120
music you know

2135
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:05,840
trying to do a company or make a career

2136
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,560
or make money or whatever and constantly

2137
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,560
trying to re-motivate yourself to do

2138
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,719
this and that and it's the most

2139
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,719
interesting part of this is i don't have

2140
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,800
to re-motivate myself maybe i need a

2141
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,280
time off here there but like it

2142
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,880
motivates itself

2143
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:22,000
you know

2144
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:25,040
because it's genuinely a mystery

2145
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:26,960
absolutely

2146
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,440
you know and i don't understand it and i

2147
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:31,440
want to understand it along with you

2148
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:32,239
know

2149
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,920
helping other people to understand it

2150
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,080
know that it's okay to not understand

2151
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:38,560
everything and to still look you know

2152
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:40,000
admit to yourself that you've

2153
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,520
experienced something

2154
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:43,679
that's a mystery you know

2155
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:45,199
absolutely

2156
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,159
i was in a situation the other day

2157
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,239
you know where

2158
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,800
i you know i won't name the person and

2159
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,480
or anything like this but i i got this

2160
01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:00,320
question and it was from a guy in his

2161
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,840
70s all right

2162
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:04,560
and he was and he was asking me

2163
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,440
like

2164
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:07,600
when do you think we're

2165
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,320
know all the answers

2166
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,080
and i was just like

2167
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:17,040
you know this this guy is

2168
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,239
you know at that age and and

2169
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:22,000
he's still holding out hope that he's

2170
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:24,560
gonna get the those answers or like all

2171
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:27,440
the answers you know i feel like for

2172
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:28,639
myself

2173
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:30,639
you know if we get some of these answers

2174
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:31,440
you know

2175
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:35,360
barring

2176
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:41,679
that something beyond the kind of

2177
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:43,520
door knocking grassroots

2178
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,490
person-to-person

2179
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:45,920
[Laughter]

2180
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,159
uh public relations campaign that some

2181
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:49,920
of these non-human identities seem to be

2182
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,040
doing yeah isn't that written yeah

2183
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:54,880
absolutely and so

2184
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:57,520
beyond barring you know that

2185
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,159
a more a more public situation

2186
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:02,239
you know a lot of the the answers to

2187
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,400
these questions i just answered the guy

2188
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:06,960
said you know the day we die

2189
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:08,480
i think we'll know the answer is the day

2190
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,600
we die

2191
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:11,679
you know maybe

2192
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,480
right and maybe you know i mean

2193
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,080
and that's from talking to near-death

2194
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:18,239
experiencers that felt like they just

2195
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:20,639
like the whole thing opened up right but

2196
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:22,960
like i don't but you know

2197
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,920
we we still might not know but we try

2198
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,080
you know and we try to do it together

2199
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,080
and like i feel like that's the most

2200
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:31,920
like

2201
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:35,679
vulnerable yet honest and best work that

2202
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,159
we can do in a lot of ways

2203
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:41,280
as a community and as a way of talking

2204
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:42,560
with each other

2205
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:45,679
is looking around us and being like

2206
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:49,199
they told us that a framework that's not

2207
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:51,520
quite true like we need to figure out

2208
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:53,760
what the rest of this framework is

2209
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:55,520
you know you know it's interesting that

2210
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,400
you you said that framework because

2211
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:01,040
you know my whole life i felt like uh i

2212
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:03,360
didn't fit in the framework

2213
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:05,679
you know and i've constantly tried to

2214
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:08,320
make myself fit in the framework whether

2215
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,199
it be

2216
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,600
keeping a job you know and

2217
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:13,840
pretending to be someone i'm not in

2218
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:16,159
order to keep that job

2219
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,920
eventually it goes a couple years three

2220
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:19,440
four or five years and then i start

2221
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,120
becoming myself a little more i screw up

2222
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:23,679
and i lose the job

2223
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:24,480
you know

2224
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,880
and it's usually because i don't fit

2225
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:28,400
within the guidelines i don't kiss

2226
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,480
enough ass or i fight for the little guy

2227
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,560
too much and i wind up getting

2228
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,960
tossed out you know because

2229
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:36,560
you know authority doesn't like to be

2230
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:38,800
questioned or and stuff like that and

2231
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:41,679
it's it's just like it never freaking

2232
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,400
works you know and it's

2233
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:46,560
you know in society makes people feel

2234
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:48,400
bad for that

2235
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:51,199
like there's something wrong with you

2236
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:53,840
but there isn't there's something wrong

2237
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,480
with this system because people aren't

2238
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,440
robots and you can't create a box for

2239
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:01,920
these people to live in and work in and

2240
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:04,080
live their lives in

2241
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,520
you know and think that that's going to

2242
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,360
work for everybody because it's not

2243
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,600
because we're all different

2244
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:11,600
absolutely you know

2245
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,000
and and sometimes i think some sometimes

2246
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,320
these experiences or whatever are just

2247
01:28:21,189 --> 01:28:18,480
proof of that

2248
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:21,199
absolutely absolutely you know there's

2249
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,960
there's there's real truth to that

2250
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:24,960
phrase of like being too real you know

2251
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:26,080
what i mean

2252
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:27,840
like you know why'd you lose your job

2253
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:30,239
you're probably being a little too

2254
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:30,960
yeah

2255
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:33,120
a little too authentic to yourself you

2256
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:33,840
know

2257
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:36,400
and and what does that really mean right

2258
01:28:41,189 --> 01:28:38,320
that's that's a really difficult thing

2259
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:41,199
about as you as you grow up as an adult

2260
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,159
this is is

2261
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:46,639
is being in that kind of situation and

2262
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,840
then

2263
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:49,760
spending the less the maybe the rest of

2264
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:52,400
your life trying to navigate ways

2265
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:54,159
to be able to be a more authentic

2266
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,320
version of yourself because it's so much

2267
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:58,000
more relaxing

2268
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,480
it's so much more it's it's

2269
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:02,639
you know like the the amount that just

2270
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,360
your muscles can relax from just being

2271
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:07,679
authentically present to another person

2272
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:10,159
and being authentic to yourself and

2273
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,400
being honest with yourself you know it's

2274
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,400
it's so critically important

2275
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:15,840
it's easier

2276
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:21,120
way but people typically

2277
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:23,199
you know they're like well life is hard

2278
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,040
if you don't have the money and if you

2279
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:26,639
know i'm myself then i'm not going to

2280
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,239
have the money and

2281
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,400
you know you know all that kind of stuff

2282
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:32,480
but you know little do you know like the

2283
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,239
more you're yourself

2284
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:36,320
you know things seem to just work out

2285
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:37,679
still

2286
01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:39,520
yeah i mean not everybody's different i

2287
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:41,840
get that like but for me personally

2288
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:44,880
like things the the universe

2289
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:46,719
or whatever you want to call it seems to

2290
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,520
still

2291
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:49,760
uh take care of me

2292
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:52,239
the even being myself you know i found

2293
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:54,639
love i i got a house it's not the

2294
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,480
greatest house in the world but it's

2295
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,560
decent enough i can put food in my

2296
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,560
stomach i have two great dogs i got an

2297
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:02,080
umbrella over

2298
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,159
baby rabbits in the backyard i'm trying

2299
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,719
to protect from my wife like the whole

2300
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:08,639
thing seems to

2301
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:11,440
just i had to throw that in there but uh

2302
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:14,000
everything just

2303
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:15,040
like

2304
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:17,360
be you be yourself embrace your

2305
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:18,840
experiences don't

2306
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:22,320
apologize um you know because that's the

2307
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:23,679
way life is supposed to be and you can't

2308
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,159
spend your whole life denying uh who you

2309
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,159
are trying to be something else and and

2310
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:30,639
that fight is just too exhausting

2311
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:33,280
it's incredible and you're right you can

2312
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:34,639
sleep at night

2313
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:35,600
you know

2314
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,800
yeah it's a

2315
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:38,800
it's a nice massage

2316
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,679
basically yeah and my life i agree with

2317
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:43,760
you my and my life has only gotten

2318
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:46,000
better since being since

2319
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:46,800
going

2320
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:49,440
public with ralph's article like i've

2321
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:52,560
i've got way cooler friends like you for

2322
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:53,600
example

2323
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:56,480
you know i've got i've still have like

2324
01:31:04,870 --> 01:30:58,480
like

2325
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:04,880
that knew me before they just know

2326
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:07,280
they have a better picture for why i was

2327
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:08,960
the way that i was

2328
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:11,040
earlier yeah but i think i'm not i think

2329
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:13,760
i'm a happier more

2330
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,040
well-rounded and person not having to

2331
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:19,520
kind of clinch all the time with with

2332
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,199
the secrecy of of just having really

2333
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,920
extraordinary experiences you know it's

2334
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,600
it's doesn't necessarily have to be

2335
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:29,760
something you have to be ashamed of but

2336
01:31:34,470 --> 01:31:32,080
you know like since doing this here we

2337
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,480
are and the experiencer group

2338
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,239
you know hundreds and hundreds of people

2339
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:38,400
that can that can get together and talk

2340
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:39,679
about these things

2341
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:42,560
and so hopefully you know that as as

2342
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,560
time goes on there'll be more and more

2343
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:46,320
and more

2344
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:48,800
you know groups like that situations

2345
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:51,360
like that where people where people can

2346
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:54,000
compare these notes and hopefully you

2347
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:55,920
know

2348
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:57,920
it won't be as necessary to have those

2349
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:00,400
places in in the future

2350
01:32:06,629 --> 01:32:03,520
um when we can be a little just a lot

2351
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:06,639
more open to the people around us

2352
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:08,880
this is this is a great gum in here i

2353
01:32:15,189 --> 01:32:10,320
think

2354
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:15,199
is something you know

2355
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:18,719
that's very true right because it's one

2356
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,639
you know it's when you stop listening to

2357
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:22,239
your gut

2358
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:25,040
it starts becoming inorganic not natural

2359
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:27,040
and you start not being yourself you

2360
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:29,760
know it's the gut that drives you to to

2361
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:30,880
who you are

2362
01:32:39,189 --> 01:32:32,320
you know

2363
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:39,199
it's when you don't listen to that is

2364
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,679
when you start fighting these and

2365
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:43,360
start doing these mental gymnastics

2366
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:45,600
emotional putting yourself in emotional

2367
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:48,320
prisons all the time um

2368
01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:50,000
but it's uh

2369
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:51,520
i don't know adhering is the right word

2370
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:54,239
but adhering to your gut feeling uh is

2371
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:57,040
crucial in being able to live

2372
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:59,840
peacefully you know and a lot of that is

2373
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:01,360
living the right way because what else

2374
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:03,120
comes with that is truth telling the

2375
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:04,080
truth

2376
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,000
being honest with not only yourself but

2377
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:08,880
with other people totally

2378
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:09,920
you know

2379
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:11,120
absolutely

2380
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:13,520
and and you know as robert coford said

2381
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:15,280
in the chat intuition with intent

2382
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:16,800
absolutely and you know a lot of people

2383
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:18,800
think that your intuition what you hear

2384
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:20,480
when with your intuition is you're

2385
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,520
you're really listening to your

2386
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:23,440
subconscious and so you're listening to

2387
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:26,000
just kind of another layer of your mind

2388
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:27,920
that's been really working on things

2389
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:29,360
behind the scenes for a little while

2390
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,159
right

2391
01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:32,400
and so there's there's a lot to be said

2392
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:34,400
for for what kind of

2393
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:37,440
deeper longer truths might be kind of

2394
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:39,040
sitting in that quiet

2395
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,080
in the quiet part of intuition right

2396
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:44,159
so you know we like

2397
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:48,080
i i i believe that that

2398
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:50,719
it's certainly true for me as as a as it

2399
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,960
is for you that that i've been best

2400
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:54,480
served by myself

2401
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:57,120
when when i've gone with my intuition

2402
01:34:01,910 --> 01:33:59,679
and i've been the most screwed over that

2403
01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:01,920
i've ever been in my entire life when i

2404
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:03,040
chose to

2405
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:03,760
to

2406
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:05,440
sick you know

2407
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:08,960
ignore my intuition for like days and

2408
01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:10,080
months

2409
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:12,480
you know in a row years

2410
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:13,760
yeah

2411
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,920
that's when it really that's when you

2412
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,520
that's when i've really really gotten

2413
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:18,960
into a bad way

2414
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:21,520
so it's good to be it's good to

2415
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:22,960
i'm not going to pat my i don't know

2416
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:24,560
that you know

2417
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:26,000
we're not we're not completely out of

2418
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:27,920
the tunnel yet but we can see it we can

2419
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:30,560
see some light you know what i mean

2420
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:32,480
i feel like having these conversations

2421
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:34,960
and building the communities that we are

2422
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:37,120
and and having the wonderful people

2423
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:40,000
around us is really helping

2424
01:34:46,870 --> 01:34:42,639
build something at a grassroots level

2425
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:46,880
where where we can we can put forward um

2426
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:49,119
better frameworks we can we can compare

2427
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:50,400
notes better

2428
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:53,440
we can learn from each other more and

2429
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:56,000
you know as as we do that

2430
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:56,960
we can

2431
01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:01,760
more than we learned from

2432
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:04,080
uh things like the wilson davis notes

2433
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,719
you know yeah right because in the end

2434
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:08,239
aren't we just trying to figure out how

2435
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,080
to be the best humans we could be you

2436
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,480
know in love and more

2437
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:14,639
yeah and have a better

2438
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:16,960
yeah and have a more informed picture

2439
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:17,840
for

2440
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,280
what that

2441
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:22,960
how we can engage with the world around

2442
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:25,600
us right and with with

2443
01:35:29,830 --> 01:35:29,040
and and be able to embrace the

2444
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:29,840
the

2445
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:36,000
interesting place when we don't ignore

2446
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:40,159
um the paranormal the uap and oh like

2447
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,800
those idiosyncrasies those those strange

2448
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:44,719
little aberrations you know they're to a

2449
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,000
lot of people they seem like grounding

2450
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:48,480
errors but you know people like you and

2451
01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:49,199
i

2452
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,199
that's and those that's part of what

2453
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:53,199
makes life so interesting and there's a

2454
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,639
glimp they're glimpses like a beautiful

2455
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,880
painting like you know you have i

2456
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:00,719
imagine sometimes like just this

2457
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:02,639
beautiful room with the most beautiful

2458
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:04,639
paintings colors you've never seen

2459
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:07,119
before you know and and all that and

2460
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:09,199
it's in this room and when you have an

2461
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:10,400
experience like

2462
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,679
you're it's like you're in front of the

2463
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,679
door and somebody just opens at a creek

2464
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:15,360
some light shines in and you catch a

2465
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:17,119
glimpse of it and then it closes you

2466
01:36:20,170 --> 01:36:19,280
know and you're like oh absolutely but

2467
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:20,180
but wait

2468
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:22,880
[Laughter]

2469
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:25,199
yeah you know and then you trace back

2470
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:27,600
and you have to watch it again and then

2471
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:28,480
yeah

2472
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:33,600
that's what uh that dream i had a you

2473
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:35,600
know when i was younger i had where i

2474
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:38,560
had these like white entities zipping

2475
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:40,800
around me or whatever and this music was

2476
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:43,280
playing and you know it was the most

2477
01:36:47,109 --> 01:36:44,960
beautiful music in

2478
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:47,119
that i've ever heard in my life but you

2479
01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:48,960
know i couldn't repeat it

2480
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,760
or

2481
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,840
even really describe it i just know

2482
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:53,679
that's what i thought

2483
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:56,639
at the time and i woke up in tears and

2484
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:59,199
it that's how it is it's just a glimpse

2485
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:01,280
of that beauty and then you know you

2486
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,760
snap back to reality but

2487
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:05,600
you know we've we've gone for a while

2488
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,760
here we're at hour 37 i've had a great

2489
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:10,080
conversation with you absolutely as

2490
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,880
always

2491
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:12,719
i love everybody yeah i love you too

2492
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:14,320
we'll end on this though i'm not leaving

2493
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:15,520
you

2494
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:19,520
traveler experience uh

2495
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,360
hypothesis oh

2496
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,360
i think it's a really interesting one

2497
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,280
you know i um i think i mentioned the

2498
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:26,960
other day that i had

2499
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:30,159
that i had a great conversation with um

2500
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:32,400
dr michael masters down in houston while

2501
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:34,320
i was down there a few months ago and of

2502
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:37,280
course he's he's one of

2503
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:39,280
the

2504
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,440
written about it pretty extensively and

2505
01:37:48,149 --> 01:37:45,360
i think he has a new book coming out

2506
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:48,159
maybe within a few weeks even we should

2507
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:50,080
probably talk to him if you'd like yeah

2508
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:51,040
we should

2509
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:52,719
yeah i think it's a really interesting

2510
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:55,840
hypothesis and i think that it probably

2511
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:56,960
i think that

2512
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:00,080
there's something to it you know when

2513
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:04,159
given all of the data points given

2514
01:38:08,510 --> 01:38:06,080
if nothing else just

2515
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,520
how many

2516
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:10,960
non-our culture

2517
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:13,679
humans people encounter in these

2518
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:15,679
situations and they'll say oh they're

2519
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,679
nordics oh they're hybrids or they're

2520
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:19,760
this or that or the other thing the fact

2521
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,520
that there are so many

2522
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:23,440
humans that are obviously not of our

2523
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:25,119
culture that people encounter in

2524
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:27,520
situations like this are near humans

2525
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,000
you know it does it does give me pause

2526
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:32,239
and and make me think you know

2527
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:34,320
there's there's probably

2528
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:36,639
more than one reason for for why that's

2529
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:39,199
the case and it it deserves to be

2530
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:42,400
thought about you know it's it's a very

2531
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:44,239
very

2532
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:47,920
overwhelming amount of cases involve

2533
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:49,199
like

2534
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:55,920
thing because we know that we'll be able

2535
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:58,480
to time travel eventually anyways people

2536
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:00,880
have worked on it there's a you know

2537
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:03,440
kind of a theory that

2538
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,679
would make it happen would work you know

2539
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:07,920
we know it's possible already

2540
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:09,040
um

2541
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:11,440
so is that an easy out of just latching

2542
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,719
onto something

2543
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:14,960
that we know is possible

2544
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:17,679
you know well or yeah it is it is it is

2545
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,040
interesting i was just listening the

2546
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,840
other day to donald hoffman who who has

2547
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,320
you know an extraordinarily

2548
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:27,760
bright scientist um and who's very very

2549
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:30,080
well regarded and you know he wrote that

2550
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,520
book the case against reality and he

2551
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:33,760
points out that we know

2552
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:35,920
and we at this point know the exact

2553
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:38,000
resolution

2554
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:40,880
where by whereby you get smaller than a

2555
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,600
certain level and space time just

2556
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:45,600
stops operating by the same rules

2557
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:48,719
altogether like space time doesn't exist

2558
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:51,360
you know at a certain kind of like

2559
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,639
if you kind of reduce down to the

2560
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:54,960
smallest level and he says like it would

2561
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,080
it would be

2562
01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:58,480
something to ignore if it what but the

2563
01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:01,119
fact of the matter is it's not so small

2564
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,040
it's not so small at all

2565
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:05,440
so it it really it really

2566
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,639
you know it's something that we can

2567
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:08,639
actually explore the breakdown of space

2568
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,040
time so yeah you're absolutely right you

2569
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:12,960
know this this probably within our

2570
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:15,280
lifetime more work will be made in that

2571
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:18,159
in that way so yeah maybe it is an easy

2572
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:19,360
out but

2573
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:22,159
you have to imagine that

2574
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:24,159
you know when people

2575
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,040
talk when people recount

2576
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:29,040
situations with non-human entities

2577
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:31,679
whatever it is are you talking to

2578
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:34,960
something that you know some hubrid

2579
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:38,400
some nordic you know a gray a minted

2580
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:39,840
whatever kind of being you're talking

2581
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,800
about

2582
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,280
people often recount you know they'll

2583
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:45,440
say like oh you know like the rua

2584
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,960
zimbabwe case

2585
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:48,000
like

2586
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,119
yeah

2587
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,600
um beware technology like beware

2588
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,440
environmental collapse things like this

2589
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:54,800
and so there's there's often the

2590
01:40:59,590 --> 01:40:57,040
situation where there you were giving

2591
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:59,600
being given hints about our future right

2592
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:01,600
and it's gotten embedded in the culture

2593
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,320
so much that now when you hear accounts

2594
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,239
people just kind of know to blurt out

2595
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:08,880
questions about their their futures or

2596
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,199
you know they kind of ask as if you know

2597
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:13,440
and it's so bizarre right you encounter

2598
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:15,679
an e.t or an alien or however you want

2599
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:17,840
to think of this a non-humanity and then

2600
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:19,679
you're and your first thing is not like

2601
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:22,000
where are you from or or like what's

2602
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:23,840
your culture like but it's like you know

2603
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:26,560
when am i gonna die right or something

2604
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:28,159
like that

2605
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:29,760
it's always it's always all it's always

2606
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:31,360
gonna be about you doesn't

2607
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:34,639
[Laughter]

2608
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:37,360
is my wife gonna love me forever right

2609
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,800
yeah

2610
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:40,480
but you know that i think about that

2611
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:43,119
sometimes too like in the future if if

2612
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:44,800
time like something like time travel

2613
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:47,360
becomes more like uh publicly accessible

2614
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:49,760
let's say 200 years from now like like a

2615
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:51,520
guy like me could go to the store and

2616
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:53,600
maybe purchase a device that allows me

2617
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:56,320
to time travel three times a year to a

2618
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:58,639
certain place or whatever and

2619
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,960
what would you do with that well

2620
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:02,639
maybe you would

2621
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:05,600
go back and travel and visit your family

2622
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:07,840
you know and see what your blood was up

2623
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:10,000
to at a certain time

2624
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:12,880
you know and maybe the things i saw were

2625
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,400
you know my great great great great

2626
01:42:19,669 --> 01:42:16,800
great great great great great grandkid

2627
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,679
or something he was like i wonder

2628
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:21,760
you know what was my family up to at

2629
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:24,159
that time or whatever one disclosure was

2630
01:42:28,229 --> 01:42:25,840
that it's precipice or something you

2631
01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:28,239
know like and shoots by and you know

2632
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:30,000
checks me out or whatever in slow motion

2633
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:32,239
but i think it goes fast you know it's

2634
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:34,080
just interesting to think about i guess

2635
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:35,119
but

2636
01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:38,159
absolutely absolutely i love that theory

2637
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:39,840
yeah we should we should have dr masters

2638
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:42,159
on it'd be fun yeah

2639
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:48,950
so

2640
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,679
it's uh this has been a great

2641
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:55,360
conversation thanks to everybody in the

2642
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:58,000
chat um yeah for having had such a

2643
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:00,159
wonderful side conversation you all are

2644
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:01,840
so great and

2645
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:04,560
deeply appreciated and um

2646
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:06,159
yeah i look forward to seeing you in the

2647
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:09,119
near future sean yeah i have a feeling i

2648
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,880
will absolutely all right

2649
01:43:21,850 --> 01:43:14,639
have a good night

2650
01:43:21,860 --> 01:44:13,830
[Music]

2651
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:15,260
do